{"id":6805,"date":"2010-06-24T19:12:19","date_gmt":"2010-06-24T17:12:19","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.epochtimestr.com\/?p=6805"},"modified":"2010-06-24T19:13:30","modified_gmt":"2010-06-24T17:13:30","slug":"yildirim-mumcu-ocalanin-derin-devlet-baglantisini-arastirdigi-icin-olduruldu","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/epochtimestr.com\/index.php\/yildirim-mumcu-ocalanin-derin-devlet-baglantisini-arastirdigi-icin-olduruldu","title":{"rendered":"Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m: Mumcu, \u00d6calan’\u0131n Derin Devlet Ba\u011flant\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 Ara\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131\u011f\u0131 \u0130\u00e7in \u00d6ld\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc"},"content":{"rendered":"

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STOCKHOLM<\/span><\/a><\/strong>– <\/span>Bir d\u00f6nem ter\u00f6r \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc eleba\u015f\u0131 Abdullah \u00d6calan’\u0131n sa\u011f kolu olarak bilinen Avukat H\u00fcseyin Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, y\u0131llarca s\u00fcren suskunlu\u011funu Cihan Haber Ajans\u0131’na bozdu. \u00d6calan’la ilgili b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00fcvensizlik i\u00e7erisinde oldu\u011funu dile getiren Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, \u015funlar\u0131 aktard\u0131: “\u00d6calan’\u0131n derin devletle ba\u011flant\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n olabilece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u00d6calan’\u0131n tutuklanmas\u0131, sal\u0131verilmesi var. Hatta bu konuda U\u011fur Mumcu buraya geldi, benimle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istedi rahmetli. Evet, o bu konuyu ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131yordu. Bana g\u00f6re de rahmetlinin \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmesinin nedeni budur. Bu ba\u011flant\u0131 ortaya \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131n diye. Onun cinayeti, ne dindarlar, ne de \u0130ran olay\u0131yd\u0131. E\u015fi Kesire, Apo’nun gizli ili\u015fkilerini \u00f6\u011frendi. Derin devletle olan ili\u015fkilerini. Ve kopu\u015f buradan geldi. \u00d6calan’\u0131n K\u00fcrt sorunuyla bir ilgisi, amac\u0131, bir duygusu yok.” <\/span>\u0130sve\u00e7’te s\u0131\u011f\u0131nmac\u0131 stat\u00fcs\u00fcnde ya\u015fayan Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m’\u0131n a\u00e7\u0131klamalar\u0131 \u015f\u00f6yle: <\/span>-PKK’n\u0131n ve \u00d6calan’\u0131n geldi\u011fi noktay\u0131 nas\u0131l de\u011ferlendiriyorsunuz? <\/span>Apo, kendinden ba\u015fka kimseye de\u011fer vermedi. Hep kendisini dayatt\u0131 ve beyin olan tak\u0131mlar\u0131 \u00c7etin G\u00fcng\u00f6r, Dilaver Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, Mahsun Korkmaz; bunlar\u0131 yok etti. <\/span>-Da\u011fdaki PKK’l\u0131lara bir mesaj imk\u00e2n\u0131n\u0131z olsayd\u0131 ne derdiniz? <\/span>Ben \u015fu an o da\u011fdakilerin bu durumdan kurtulmas\u0131n\u0131 istiyorum; \u00e7\u00fcnk\u00fc \u00e7o\u011funu tan\u0131yorum ve \u00e7o\u011fu halk\u0131n \u00e7ocuklar\u0131d\u0131r. Baz\u0131 hakl\u0131 nedenleri vard\u0131; ama politikas\u0131zl\u0131k onlar\u0131 bu noktaya getirdi ve Kandil’e hapsetti. <\/span>ERGENEKON \u0130MRALI’YI Y\u00d6NET\u0130YOR <\/span>– Ergenekon olu\u015fumunun PKK’yla irtibat\u0131 hakk\u0131nda g\u00fcndeme gelen iddialar var. <\/span>Ergenekon’un etkisi \u0130mral\u0131 ile s\u0131n\u0131rl\u0131d\u0131r. \u0130mral\u0131 y\u00f6netiyor, \u0130mral\u0131 da di\u011ferlerini etkiliyor, dolay\u0131s\u0131yla Ergenekon’a ba\u011fl\u0131yorum. Mesela tam a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131m konu\u015fulurken Tokat’taki eylem… Ne g\u00fcnah\u0131 vard\u0131 o askerlerin? Sava\u015f alan\u0131 filan de\u011fil, k\u00f6yl\u00fc \u00e7ocuklar\u0131d\u0131r o askerler. Onlar\u0131 vurmakla ne kazan\u0131yorsun? Bu, PKK’n\u0131n karar\u0131 m\u0131d\u0131r, m\u00fc\u015fterek bir karar m\u0131d\u0131r, bu konuda bir \u015fey s\u00f6yleyemem. <\/span>-\u00d6calan’\u0131n s\u00fcrekli g\u00fcndeme gelen derin devlet ba\u011flant\u0131s\u0131 konusunda ne biliyorsunuz? <\/span>\u00d6calan’\u0131n \u015eam’daki ili\u015fkileri. En yak\u0131n arkada\u015flar\u0131 At\u0131f Hocal\u0131, Do\u011fu Perin\u00e7ek; bunlar derin devletin adamlar\u0131, bunlar da ortaya \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131. Her g\u00fcn daha yeni belgeler, bilgiler ortaya \u00e7\u0131kacak. <\/span>– PKK’n\u0131n kurulmas\u0131nda derin devletin ya da ba\u015fka g\u00fc\u00e7lerin rol\u00fc nas\u0131l olmu\u015ftur sizce? <\/span>\u00d6calan’\u0131n tutuklanmas\u0131, sal\u0131verilmesi var. Hatta bu konuda U\u011fur Mumcu buraya geldi, benimle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istedi rahmetli. Ama ben g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istemedim. <\/span>-\u0130ddialara g\u00f6re Mumcu, \u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fcnden \u00f6nce \u00d6calan ile derin devlet aras\u0131ndaki ba\u011flant\u0131y\u0131 ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131yordu. <\/span>Evet, o bu konuyu ara\u015ft\u0131r\u0131yordu. Bana g\u00f6re de rahmetlinin \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclmesinin nedeni budur. Bu ba\u011flant\u0131 ortaya \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131n diye. Dikkat ederseniz, komp\u00fcterine filan, her \u015feyine el koydular. \u0130\u00e7ini bo\u015faltt\u0131ktan sonra Ali Sirmen’e teslim ettiler. Ali Sirmenler, “onun yazd\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 kitapla\u015ft\u0131rd\u0131k” dediler; ama Cumhuriyet’te yazd\u0131klar\u0131ndan ba\u015fka bir \u015fey yok. As\u0131l yazd\u0131klar\u0131 yok, el konuldu, yok edildi. Onun cinayeti, ne dindarlar, ne de \u0130ran olay\u0131yd\u0131. \u00d6calan ile ilgili ben b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00fcvensizlik i\u00e7erisindeyim. \u00d6calan’\u0131n derin devletle ba\u011flant\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n olabilece\u011fini de d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. <\/span>B\u0130RAND R\u00d6PORTAJINDA S\u00d6YLED\u0130KLER\u0130, KIRILMA NOKTASI OLDU <\/span>-Sizin \u00f6rg\u00fctten kopu\u015funuz nas\u0131l oldu? <\/span>Ben \u00f6rg\u00fcte girmedim. Diyarbak\u0131r’da ya\u015fananlar\u0131 anlat\u0131rken ben PKK’n\u0131n i\u00e7inde buldum kendimi. \u00c7evremde hep PKK’l\u0131lar vard\u0131. Kopu\u015fum ise \u015f\u00f6yle oldu. Ben 1988’de \u015eam’dayken \u00d6calan’\u0131 bir ay tahlil ettim, \u00d6calan’\u0131n K\u00fcrt sorunuyla bir ilgisi, amac\u0131, bir duygusu yok. Sosyalizmle de hi\u00e7bir ilgisi yok. <\/span>-Peki, \u00d6calan’\u0131n hedefi neydi o zaman? <\/span>O, g\u00fc\u00e7 sahibi olmak istiyordu. M. Ali Birand’a da ne diyordu, “Ben gidersem, devlet kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131nda 40 tane PKK bulur.” Ne demek bu? “Benimle anla\u015f\u0131n, ben PKK’y\u0131 bitireyim” demekti. <\/span>-O r\u00f6portaj\u0131n sizin i\u00e7in bir k\u0131r\u0131lma noktas\u0131 oldu\u011funu s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorsunuz? <\/span>\u00d6calan haz\u0131rlanm\u0131\u015f, daha arabadan iner inmez Birand’a sar\u0131ld\u0131, \u00f6pt\u00fc. S\u00f6ze ba\u015flarken Mehmet Ali Birand, “Ben \u00fclkemi \u00e7ok seviyorum, \u00fclkemin b\u00f6l\u00fcnmesini istemiyorum. Sizin baz\u0131 s\u00f6ylemlerinize de kat\u0131lm\u0131yorum. Ama ben bir gazeteciyim, kanunlar\u0131n ve yerin elverdi\u011fi \u00f6l\u00e7\u00fcde s\u00f6ylediklerinize yer verece\u011fim” dedi. \u00d6calan o zaman: “Bizim \u00fclkeyi b\u00f6lmek istedi\u011fimizi kim s\u00f6yledi? Bizim ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131zl\u0131k istedi\u011fimiz yok.” dedi. Bu benim i\u00e7in ilk vuru\u015f oldu. <\/span>PER\u0130N\u00c7EK, “SEN\u0130N MESELEN\u0130 APO’YLA G\u00d6R\u00dc\u015eT\u00dcM, KONU\u015eALIM” DED\u0130 <\/span>-Do\u011fu Perin\u00e7ek sizinle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc m\u00fc? <\/span>Belki benimle 40 defa g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istedi, g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmedim onunla. <\/span>-Neden g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmediniz? <\/span>G\u00fcvenmiyorum ben o adama. Ba\u015fta onlar\u0131n birbirine kar\u015f\u0131ym\u0131\u015f gibi g\u00f6z\u00fckmeleri bir oyundu. Telefonda bana, “Senin meseleni Apo’yla g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcm ben. Konu\u015fal\u0131m seninle” dedi. Ben de, “Seninle konu\u015facak bir \u015feyim yok” dedim. Perin\u00e7ek, \u00e7ok tehlikeli birisi. Nedir Perin\u00e7ek’i 1972’den beri ayakta tutan? <\/span>-\u015euan devam eden bir Ergenekon davas\u0131 var. Dava ve \u00f6rg\u00fctle ilintili o d\u00f6nemden isimler biliyor musunuz? <\/span>Kimin ne oldu\u011funu tam bilemem ama katiller vard\u0131. Avrupa’da kimler var \u00f6yle, \u00f6rg\u00fctten \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131ktan sonra hepsini \u00f6\u011frendim. Ama \u015funu biliyorum, ajan olarak \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fcn i\u00e7ine girip, i\u015fini g\u00f6rd\u00fckten sonra elini kolunu sallayarak gidenler oldu, bunlara hi\u00e7 dokunulmad\u0131. Ajan diye \u00f6ld\u00fcr\u00fclenler ise ger\u00e7ekten beyin tak\u0131mlar\u0131yd\u0131. <\/span>YUNANLAR, “\u00d6CALAN HEMEN GELS\u0130N, YER\u0130 HAZIR” DED\u0130LER <\/span>-\u00d6calan’\u0131n Avrupa’ya gelmek i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131 olmu\u015f muydu? <\/span>\u00d6calan bir g\u00fcn bana bir talimat g\u00f6nderdi. Orada aynen \u015f\u00f6yle diyordu: “M\u00fccadele geli\u015fti, Suriye art\u0131k y\u00fck\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc kald\u0131ramaz. Ben, kararg\u00e2h\u0131m\u0131 \u00fclkeye ta\u015f\u0131yorum.” <\/span>-\u00dclke dedi\u011fi, T\u00fcrkiye mi? <\/span>\u00dclke dedi\u011fi, T\u00fcrkiye’deki da\u011flara ta\u015f\u0131yacak. Ve bu a\u00e7\u0131klamas\u0131ndan 2-3 ay sonra bana \u00f6zel bir kurye g\u00f6nderdi. Talimatta, “Avrupa’da h\u00fck\u00fcmetler d\u00fczeyinde g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerle bana yer haz\u0131rla.” diyordu. Bu, benim \u00e7ok tuhaf\u0131ma gitti. Daha iki ay \u00f6nce \u00fclkeye ta\u015f\u0131naca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyordu, yap\u0131ya a\u00e7\u0131k olarak. Bana ise gizli olarak b\u00f6yle bir \u015fey s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor. <\/span>-Peki ne oldu, giri\u015fimlere ba\u015flad\u0131n\u0131z m\u0131 siz de? <\/span>\u00d6nce Yunanl\u0131larla g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcm, Paris’te bir toplant\u0131da, “Hemen gelsin, yeri haz\u0131r!” dediler. G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fcm, PASOK taraftar\u0131yd\u0131. Telefon a\u00e7t\u0131m ona (\u00d6calan’a): “Yunanistan oturuma s\u0131cak bak\u0131yor” dedim, o da: “Yunanistan zaten tamam. Sen, bir Avusturya’ya bak.” dedi. <\/span>AVUSTURYA, DER\u0130N \u0130L\u0130\u015eK\u0130LER \u0130\u00c7\u0130N UYGUN ADREST\u0130 <\/span>-Avusturya i\u015fi olmay\u0131nca neler oldu? <\/span>Avusturya giri\u015fimi i\u00e7in sonra \u00d6calan benim i\u00e7in diyor ki \u0130mral\u0131’dan: “Beni CIA ve M\u0130T’in cirit att\u0131\u011f\u0131 bir yere \u00e7ekip tasfiye edecekti ve yerime oturacakt\u0131.” \u015eimdi d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum, ger\u00e7ekten de Avusturya’da CIA ve M\u0130T cirit at\u0131yor. Bunu bana Avusturyal\u0131 dostlar\u0131m s\u00f6yledi. Peki, kendisi neden o ortam\u0131 istedi? Bana g\u00f6re olay \u015fuydu: Yunanistan’da rahat hareket edemezdi (\u00d6calan), e\u011fer \u00e7e\u015fitli g\u00fc\u00e7lerle T\u00fcrkiye’de ili\u015fkileri varsa, o ili\u015fkilerini Yunanistan’da geli\u015ftiremezdi. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc Yunanistan buna taraftar olmazd\u0131. Ama Avusturya’da bu ili\u015fkileri rahat geli\u015ftirebilirdi. <\/span>-A\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131, “g\u00fc\u00e7lerle ili\u015fkiler” derken, istihbarat \u00f6rg\u00fctlerini mi kast ediyorsunuz? <\/span>Evet, tabii, o ili\u015fkiler. <\/span>\u00d6CALAN K\u0130M\u0130N ADAMI? <\/span>-Ne oldu sonras\u0131nda? <\/span>Ben oradan ayr\u0131ld\u0131ktan sonra, Avusturya’ya ge\u00e7me i\u015fi orada kalm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Zaten ben \u015eam’dayken de Avrupa’ya ge\u00e7me karar\u0131ndan vazge\u00e7mi\u015fti. Onun g\u00f6z\u00fc asl\u0131nda T\u00fcrkiye’deydi. Bir \u015fey daha s\u00f6yleyeyim, \u00d6calan yakalan\u0131p T\u00fcrkiye’ye getirildi\u011finde, idam\u0131 konu\u015fulurken, o zamanki koalisyondaki Ecevit ve Bah\u00e7eli onun idam\u0131ndan yanayd\u0131. Fakat d\u00f6nemin M\u0130T M\u00fcste\u015far\u0131 Atasagun bir rapor getirdi ve Ecevit’e verdi. Oradaki bir sayfay\u0131 Ecevit, Bah\u00e7eli’ye g\u00f6sterdi. Mesut Y\u0131lmaz da Bah\u00e7eli’yi ayr\u0131 bir odaya \u00e7a\u011f\u0131rd\u0131. Tekrar toplant\u0131 masas\u0131na geldiklerinde Bah\u00e7eli idam d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcncesinden vazge\u00e7mi\u015fti. Ne getirdi M\u0130T? Ben iki ihtimal \u00fczerinde duruyorum; ilki, biz bunu teslim al\u0131rken idam etmeyece\u011fimize dair Amerika’ya s\u00f6z vermi\u015fiz. Ama bu Bah\u00e7eli’yi durduramazd\u0131. \u0130kinci ihtimal, e\u011fer raporda “Bu bizim adam\u0131m\u0131z” diyorsa, o zaman Bah\u00e7eli durur\u2026 (B\u0130TT\u0130) <\/span>H\u00dcSEY\u0130N YILDIRIM K\u0130MD\u0130R? <\/span>Bir d\u00f6nem \u00d6calan i\u00e7in Avrupa’da lobi faaliyetleri yapan H\u00fcseyin Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, bu sebeple \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fcn Avrupa sorumlusu olarak tan\u0131nd\u0131. 1937’de Tunceli’de do\u011fan H\u00fcseyin Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m 1969’da \u0130stanbul Hukuk Fak\u00fcltesi’ni bitirerek serbest avukatl\u0131\u011fa ba\u015flad\u0131. 12 Eyl\u00fcl’de 11 ay cezaevinde kald\u0131. 1988’de Bekaa Vadisi’ne giderek Abdullah \u00d6calan’\u0131n yan\u0131nda yer ald\u0131. Bir s\u00fcre sonra \u00d6calan’la fikir ayr\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131na d\u00fc\u015ferek \u0130sve\u00e7’e yerle\u015fti. 1987’de Olof Palme Cinayeti’nin asli azmettiricisi olma iddias\u0131yla g\u00f6zalt\u0131na al\u0131nd\u0131. 8 g\u00fcn sonra serbest b\u0131rak\u0131ld\u0131. \u00d6calan’\u0131n kendisine en b\u00fcy\u00fck rakip olarak g\u00f6rd\u00fc\u011f\u00fc \u00f6ne s\u00fcr\u00fclen H\u00fcseyin Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, \u00d6calan ile fikir ayr\u0131l\u0131\u011fa d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fckten sonra ayr\u0131 bir grup olarak hareket etti.<\/span>\u00a0<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n

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STOCKHOLM– Bir d\u00f6nem ter\u00f6r \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc eleba\u015f\u0131 Abdullah \u00d6calan’\u0131n sa\u011f kolu olarak bilinen Avukat H\u00fcseyin Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, y\u0131llarca s\u00fcren suskunlu\u011funu Cihan Haber Ajans\u0131’na bozdu. \u00d6calan’la ilgili b\u00fcy\u00fck bir g\u00fcvensizlik i\u00e7erisinde oldu\u011funu dile getiren Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m, \u015funlar\u0131 aktard\u0131: “\u00d6calan’\u0131n derin devletle ba\u011flant\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131n olabilece\u011fini d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. \u00d6calan’\u0131n tutuklanmas\u0131, sal\u0131verilmesi var. Hatta bu konuda U\u011fur Mumcu buraya geldi, benimle g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmek istedi rahmetli. 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